Christian lies about
ARISTOTLE SOCRATES and PLATO
The Hearth of
Hellenism: Did the Philosophers Believe in God?
OCTOBER 2, 2017 BY ANGELO NASIOS
OCTOBER 2, 2017 BY ANGELO NASIOS
When you think of
philosophy you probably think of the famous Greek trio Socrates, Plato, and
Aristotle. These men dominate the history of philosophy from ancient times
onward. Their brilliance was sought after later by Christians who wanted to
show that their God was the true God. This was done by reinterpreting the
polytheistic philosophers of Greece, by distorting their words and teachings,
maintaining that their teachings were a precursor for monotheism, and that the
philosophers rejected polytheism.
Christian church
fathers hated Greek philosophy. John Chrysostom described Greeks as “dogs”
whose philosophy was “worthless”.[1] Eusebius characterized Hellenism as Greek
“excrement” and said it was “loathsome.”[2] Nevertheless, Christianity needed
to put into the minds of the people that there was a continuity and cohesion
between polytheistic Greek culture and the monotheistic Christian religion. A
visual example of this can be found on the walls of one of the Meteora
monasteries in Greece where Homer, Thucydides, Aristotle, Plato, and Plutarch
are depicted, icon style. This is the Church’s revision of history and
philosophy.
What did the
philosophers teach? How are they being misrepresented? Why do Christians think
the philosophers foreshadow the gospel? Let us begin with Socrates. Socrates
left no writings of his own. What we know about him comes from his student
Plato, who features Socrates in his dialogues, as do Aristophanes and Xenophon
in their writings. Socrates appears to be a monotheist by virtue of poor
translation (or intentional mistranslation) using the English singular term
“God”. Any time you see “God” you need to visually add the before it. Newer
translations are fixing this. There is no “capital-G God” when we read the
philosophers because god is a common noun like “man”, so we need to read it as
referring to one god of the many in the pantheon or just to gods in general,
just as is the case when “man” stands for mankind.
Socrates was put on
trial for impiety and corrupting the youth. At his trial, Socrates feels that
it will be difficult to remove the jury’s prejudices, but he goes along with
the process anyway, saying, “But nevertheless, let this be as is pleasing to
God, the law must be obeyed and I must make a defense.”[3] Here we see the
singular God, which is misleading, the proper way to translate the text would
be, let this be as is pleasing to the God (one god of the many). The god is
probably Zeus or Apollo. Or, since no god is being specified, we could
translate “to the gods”.
One way Socrates
attempts to defend himself is by offering “the god of Delphi”[4] as his
witness. Socrates claims that his mission from the god–Apollo, in this case–is
to bring wisdom to the Greeks, so they should not be angry with him, for it is the
will of Apollo. This and other defenses did not satisfy the jury,
unfortunately, and he was sentenced to death by drinking hemlock. Socrates is
clearly a polytheist, for he invokes a Greek god in his trial in his defense.
It is worth mentioning
also that the trial of Socrates and his death was treated by Greeks in a
similar manner as Jesus’s passion is treated by Christians. This is a good
reason why Christians would want to get Socrates on their side presenting him
and his death as a foreshadowing of Jesus’ own sacrifice. Socrates willingly
died; he was given the chance to escape by night, his friends tried to break
him out of jail but he said no, he would obey the law.
On now to Plato. Plato
founded the Academy in 387 BCE. The academy would be a hub for philosophy for
nearly a millennium, until it was forcefully closed by Christian Emperor
Justinian I in 529 CE. Edward Gibbon, in his monumental work The Decline and
Fall of the Roman Empire, states that the impact of Christianity on the schools
of Athens was more fatal than the Gothic invaders.[5] According to Gibbon,
Christianity was hostile to any form of inquiry and exercise of reason.
Questions were answered with an article of faith, and anyone deemed to be an
infidel or skeptic was condemned to eternal flames. Socrates, for whatever
reasons, was condemned as well, but Athens atoned by treating him as a hero for
the rest of pagan antiquity.
Doing proper justice
to Plato and Platonism in the limited space I have for this blog will be
unattainable. The details regarding the interaction between Platonists and the
Christians are extensive. I will highlight what I think is important and
relevant for this discussion.
Platonism was the most
influential philosophy in the development of patristic theology because it was
a dominant force in society. Church fathers could not avoid Platonism if they
tried. Christians and “pagans” went to the same schools and received the same
education. When developing their theology, Platonism was the “language”
Christians used in forming how they thought about God.[6] It is important to
stress that simply using Platonism in Christian theology does not imply
compatibility; they are irreconcilable on key fundamental issues, such as the
relationship between man and the divine. Platonism and Christian theology are
not actually harmonious. In my entry, Why Greeks are Leaving Christianity, I
pointed out that the monks of Mt. Athos called Plato the “Greek Satan” and
would spit on the ground upon hearing his name.[7]
In Plato’s writings,
he is searching for knowledge that transcends this world, truth which is truly
real, eternal, and immutable.[8] Plato thinks that real knowledge requires full
participation in the realm of Ideas or Forms. The realm of the forms is a
divine realm, the realm of the gods. In the realm of forms, we find the Good,
which is the cause of knowledge and truth, and thus is beyond Knowledge and
Truth. The Good is also beyond being, surpassing it in dignity and power.[9]
Later Christians reading Plato will identify the Good with their God. However, Plato does not describe the Good as a god. Christians turn it into God. Plato is by no stretch of the imagination a monotheist, nor was he developing a philosophy in the direction of monotheism. He called the physical world a “visible god”, and that after death it is possible to join the company of the gods.[10]
Later Christians reading Plato will identify the Good with their God. However, Plato does not describe the Good as a god. Christians turn it into God. Plato is by no stretch of the imagination a monotheist, nor was he developing a philosophy in the direction of monotheism. He called the physical world a “visible god”, and that after death it is possible to join the company of the gods.[10]
Christians also
diminish his polytheism. As Dr. Edward Butler explained to me, the tactic that
is used in appropriating Plato is to ignore what Plato calls “gods” or claim he
is being ironic, or merely pandering to popular sentiment. Plato’s “real”
theology, they claim, concerns entities, like the Idea of the Good from The
Republic, which Plato never calls “God” or implies in any way should take the
place of the gods, because it better suits the Christian notion of what a
theology ought to look like.[11]
Plato’s polytheism is
also evident in his criticism of traditional religious beliefs. Plato was harsh
on poets and the lies he thought they taught about the gods. For Plato, the
gods did not behave in the manner as described by Homer or Hesiod. Gods, according
to Plato, could not do harm, nor did they have characteristics that would be
ridiculous in them, namely human-like behavior such as jealousy and anger.
Plato was reforming polytheism, not abolishing it. Christians had to contend
with the Platonists, as they were part of the intellectual elite in society,
and Platonists criticized Christianity using their philosophy. Naturally,
Christians would have to eliminate this opponent if they wanted to gain power
and control the intellectual dialogue in society. This is one reason why the
Academy in Athens and other schools were shut down. Eliminating the Platonists
and later using elements of their philosophy removed a major obstacle to
Christian dominance of society and directed the course of philosophical dialogue.
Third and lastly, we
come to Aristotle. A similar appropriation as with Plato happened with
Aristotle. Christians put their God into Aristotle and developed theology that
is not found in his texts, according to Aristotle and the Theology of Living Immortals
by Richard Bodeus. Bodeus explains that Aristotle’s actual remarks about the
gods are ignored by Christian philosophers, while Christians fashioned a
“theology” for him out of the doctrine of unmoved movers, which Bodeus argues
Aristotle never intended to be taken as any sort of theology.[12]
The unmoved movers is
a way in which Aristotle attempts to show that the universe is a singular
causal system. Aristotle said there were a finite number of eternal circular
motions in the cosmos, which must be oriented toward a system of unmoved
movers. But this system, and the prime unmoved mover, which Aristotle describes
as “thought thinking itself”, is a far cry in its original intention from
Christians’ creator god. Aristotle cannot be viewed as a proto-monotheist. He
talks about gods in his works, and in his will, Aristotle requested that
statues be dedicated on his behalf to three gods.
The executors are to
see that the images Gryllion has been commissioned to make are set up when they
are finished: these are of Nicanor and of Proxenus, which I had meant to have
commissioned, and of Nicanor’s mother and the image of Arimnestos that has been
completed, as a memorial to him, since he died childless. (16) They should
dedicate my mother’s statue of Demeter at Nemea, or wherever they think best.
Wherever they put my tomb, they should collect and place the bones of Pythias,
as she herself requested. Because Nicanor returned safely, he should put up
stone statues 4 cubits high in Stagira to Zeus the Preserver and Athena the
Preserver, in fulfilment of my vow.[13]
In closing, given the
evidence laid out, it is clear the philosophers were devout polytheists. They
were not developing a proto-monotheism that was preparing the way for
Christianity. They, along with their philosophy, have been examined with the
lense of monotheism, looking for its God to give credence to its theology and
beliefs. But the monotheist God is not there: the philosophers did not believe
in “God”, but in Gods.
Notes
1. John Chrysostom: Homilies on Ephesians: Homily XXI”
2. Eusebius’ commentary on the Psalms
3. Plato, Apology 19a
4. Ibid
5. Edward Gibbon and Hans-Friedrich Mueller, “Reign of Justinian,” in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (New York: Modern Library, 2003)
6. Andrew Louth, The Origins of the Christian Mystical Tradition: From Plato to Denys (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2007)
7. Siniossoglou, Niketas, Radical Platonism in Byzantine, (Cambridge University Press, 2016)
8. ibid
9. ibid
10. Plato, Phaedo 82 B–C
11. Edward Butler (http://polytheist.com/noeseis/)https://newschool.academia.edu/EdwardButler) interviewed by Angelo Nasios, online exchange, September 27, 2017
1. John Chrysostom: Homilies on Ephesians: Homily XXI”
2. Eusebius’ commentary on the Psalms
3. Plato, Apology 19a
4. Ibid
5. Edward Gibbon and Hans-Friedrich Mueller, “Reign of Justinian,” in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (New York: Modern Library, 2003)
6. Andrew Louth, The Origins of the Christian Mystical Tradition: From Plato to Denys (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2007)
7. Siniossoglou, Niketas, Radical Platonism in Byzantine, (Cambridge University Press, 2016)
8. ibid
9. ibid
10. Plato, Phaedo 82 B–C
11. Edward Butler (http://polytheist.com/noeseis/)https://newschool.academia.edu/EdwardButler) interviewed by Angelo Nasios, online exchange, September 27, 2017
ibid
12. Diogenes Laertius Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 5.11-16
12. Diogenes Laertius Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers 5.11-16
The Greek Orthodox Church around the world no longer has a policy of maintaining and keeping alive the Hellenic identity, language, culture or Hellenic heritage. It is now only interested in expanding the number of Orthodox Christians in its ranks.
Aristotellis Alexandridis
Η Ελληνική Ορθόδοξη Εκκλησία σε όλο τον κόσμο δεν έχει πλέον την πολιτική της,
τη διατήρηση, και να διαιωνίσουν την ελληνική ταυτότητα, τη γλώσσα, τον πολιτισμό ή την
Ελληνική κληρονομιά. Τώρα μόνο ενδιαφέρεται για την επέκταση του αριθμού των
Ορθόδοξων Χριστιανών στις τάξεις της.
Aristotellis Αλεξανδρίδης
We should and must be concerned in the well being of Hellenism all around the world!
Θα έπρεπε και πρέπει να ανησυχούμε για την ευημερία του Ελληνισμού σε όλον τον κόσμος!
ΕΠΙΚΉΔΕΙΟΣ ΛΟΓΟΣ
Από τα αρχαία χρόνια, στην κηδεία ενός αγαπημένου
προσώπου ήταν η παράδοση προς τιμήν του κεκοιμημένων με μία ομιλία (επικήδειος
λόγος) που καταβάλλονταν ως προς τη γιορτή και ζωή του εκλιπόντος,
αναγνωρίζοντας και τιμώντας τις καλές πράξεις του, τα κατορθώματα του και της
συνεισφορές των κεκοιμημένων προς την οικογένεια του, τους συνανθρώπους του και
την πολιτεία.
Αυτό είναι και υπήρξε για χιλιάδες χρόνια η υποχρέωση από
εκείνους που έχουν επιβιώσει του αποβιώσαντος και το δικαίωμα αυτών που έχουν
αναχώρηση, σύμφωνα με την ελληνική παράδοση.
Απαγορεύεται αυστηρά για οποιονδήποτε να αρνηθεί αυτά τα
δικαιώματα και τις υποχρεώσεις που πρέπει να πραγματοποιηθούν στο Ναό σε
νεκρώσιμη ακολουθία. Θεωρείται τεράστιο έγκλημα και αδίκημα να το πράξει αυτό
οποιοσδήποτε, σύμφωνα με τις διδασκαλίες της Ελληνικής Εθνικής Θρησκείας και
Τιμής, και την ελληνική παράδοση.
FUNERAL ORATION
From ancient times, at
the funeral of a loved one it was the tradition to honour the departed one with
a speech (a funeral oration) that celebrated and paid respect to his or her
life, the good deeds, the achievements and the contributions of the departed
one.
This is and has been
for thousands of years an obligation by those that have survived the deceased
and a right of the departed ones in the Hellenic tradition.
It is strictly
forbidden for anyone to deny these rights and obligations to be carried out in
the Temple at a funeral service. It is considered an enormous crime to do so by
the teachings of the Hellenic National Religion & Honour and the Hellenic
tradition.
WHAT DOES A.H.E.P.A. STAND FOR?
If AHEPA was truly dedicated to the protection and promotion of HELLENISM, IT WOULD BE PROMOTING TO ITS MEMBERS and the broader HELLENIC COMMUNITY around the WORLD, the “HELLENIC NATIONAL RELIGION and HONOUR", instead of the “Jewish Christian Religion” it is promoting!!
We believe that A.H.E.P.A. should also allow Greeks who are members of the “HELLENIC NATIONAL RELIGION” to become members!
By not doing so, this is not only wrong, but immoral, unethical and unpatriotic.
The rule stating that one should be a Christian in order to be able to become a member should be modified, so that it states that one should either be a “Christian” or a member of the “Hellenic National Religion” to be able to become a member.
Furthermore we believe that at its meetings passages from the works of the ancient Greek philosophers should be read out to the members instead of readings from the Old and New Testaments!
After all the ancient Greek philosophers are the true fathers of the Hellenic Nation and the Hellenic people!
ΤΙ ΕΊΝΑΙ Η ΑΧΕΠΑ;
Αν η ΑΧΕΠΑ ήταν πραγματικά αφιερωμένη στην προστασία και την προώθηση του Ελληνισμού, θα προωθούσαν στα μέλη τους και την ευρύτερη Ελληνική κοινότητα ανά τον Κόσμο, την «ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΕΘΝΙΚΗ ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ, αντί την «εβραϊκή Χριστιανική Θρησκεία" που προωθεί!!
Εφόσον δεν το πράξουν, δεν είναι μόνο ένα λάθος, αλλά είναι μια ανήθικη και ανθελληνική πράξη.
Πιστεύουμε ότι A.H.E.Π.A. πρέπει επίσης να επιτρέπει Έλληνες που είναι μέλη της
"ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗΣ ΕΘΝΙΚΗΣ ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑΣ" να γίνουν μέλη του!
Ο κανόνας που να δηλώνει ότι κάποιος πρέπει να είναι Χριστιανός, προκειμένου να είναι σε θέση να γίνετε μέλος θα πρέπει να τροποποιηθεί, ούτως ώστε να διευκρινίζει ότι πρέπει κανείς: είτε να είναι «Χριστιανός» ή μέλος της "Ελληνικής Εθνικής Θρησκείας" για να είναι σε θέση να γίνει μέλος.
Επιπλέον, πιστεύουμε ότι κατά τις συνεδριάσεις της, αποσπάσματα από τα έργα των αρχαίων Ελλήνων φιλοσόφων θα πρέπει να διαβάζουντε στα μέλη αντί αναγνώσεις από την Παλαιά και την Καινή Διαθήκη!
Μετά από όλα αυτά, πρέπει επιτέλους να αναγνωρίσουμε ότι οι αρχαίοι Έλληνες φιλόσοφοι είναι οι αληθινοί και οι πραγματική πατέρες του Ελληνικού Έθνος και του Ελληνικού Λαού!
THE INTEREST OF THE CHURCH IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE INDIVIDUAL MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE FAMILY
EVEN MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE HELLENIC NATION!
‘‘Archbishop Christodoulos!!!''
Shame!
ΤΟ ΣΥΜΦΕΡΟΝ ΤΗΣ ΕΚΚΛΗΣΙΑΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΠΑΝΩ ΑΠΟ ΤΟ ΑΤΟΜΙΚΟ ΠΑΝΩ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΣ ΟΙΚΟΓΕΝΕΙΑΣ ΑΚΟΜΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΗΣ ΠΑΤΡΙΔΑΣ!!! ''ΧΡΙΣΤΟΔΟΥΛΟΣ!''
Ντροπή....σου........
The Greek Orthodox
Christian Religion and Church, believes that our forefathers are Abraham,
Moses, Isaac, Rebecca and Sara etc.
The Greek Orthodox
Christian Church and Religion teaches us Hellenes that we are the descendants
of the Jews !!!
THIS IS THE OFFICIAL
GREEK ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE and BELIEF SYSTEM !!!
WE DOΝ'Τ BELIEVE
THIS NONSENSE THAT UNDERMINES THE DIGNITY(αξιοπρέπεια ) OF THE HELLENIC PEOPLE
!!!
LONG LIVE HELLAS !!!
LONG LIVE THE HELLENIC
PEOPLE !!!
LONG LIVE : THE
HELLENIC NATIONAL RELIGION and HONOUR !!!
LONG LIVE HELLENIC
PHILOSOPHY THAT GAVE THE WORLD THE GREATEST KNOWLEDGE NEEDED FOR HUMAN PROGRESS
!!!
Η Ελληνική Ορθόδοξη Χριστιανική Θρησκεία και Εκκλησία,
πιστεύει ότι οι πρόγονοί μας είναι ο Αβραάμ, ο Μωυσής, ο Ισαάκ, και η Ρεββέκα,
Σάρρα κλπ.
Η Ελληνική Ορθόδοξη Χριστιανική Εκκλησία και Θρησκεία μας
διδάσκει ότι εμείς οι Έλληνες είμαστε οι απόγονοι των Εβραίων!
Αυτή είναι η επίσημη θέση της ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗΣ Ορθόδοξης
Χριστιανικής Πίστης (ΔΟΓΜΑ και ΠΙΣΤΕΥΩ!)
Εμείς δεν πιστεύουμε αυτά τα "ανόητα
πράγματά" που υπονομεύουν την αξιοπρέπεια του Ελληνικού λαού μας και
προσβάλουν την μνήμη των προγόνων μας!
ΖΗΤΩ Η ΕΛΛΑΣ!
ΖΗΤΩ ο Ελληνικός Λαός!
Ζήτω η: ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΕΘΝΙΚΗ ΘΡΗΣΚΕΙΑ!
Ζήτω η ΜΕΓΑΛΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΦΙΛΟΣΟΦΙΑ που έδωσε στον Κόσμο τη
Μεγαλύτερη ΓΝΩΣΗ που απαιτήτο για την ανθρώπινη πρόοδό !!!Φίλοι
χριστιανοί με τι αποδείξεις θεωρήσετε της Εβραίο βασιζόμενες θρησκείες ανώτερες
και όλες της άλλες της βάζετε στη κατηγορία των κατώτερων υποτιμώντας τις ως
παγανιστών;;;
Γιατί δεν παραδέχεστε την γενοκτονία των Ελλήνων που έπραξαν οι χριστιανοί κάτω από την επίβλεψη και νόμιμες διαταγές και εντολές των Ρωμαίων κατακτητή στα χρόνια του 4 ου αιώνα μ.χ. έως το 1453 μ.χ. στην λεγόμενη Ανατολική Ρωμαϊκή Αυτοκρατορία ;;;
Γιατί δεν παραδέχεστε την γενοκτονία των Ελλήνων που έπραξαν οι χριστιανοί κάτω από την επίβλεψη και νόμιμες διαταγές και εντολές των Ρωμαίων κατακτητή στα χρόνια του 4 ου αιώνα μ.χ. έως το 1453 μ.χ. στην λεγόμενη Ανατολική Ρωμαϊκή Αυτοκρατορία ;;;
COMMUNISM – A MASSIVE FAILURE –
After the massive failure and collapse of COMMUNISM some 20 to 25 years ago, it is totally incomprehensible for logical people to understand how one can still believe in COMMUNISM!!!!! It is totally irresponsible for one to believe in communism and to call them a communist!!!! What we now need more than ever is HUMANITARIAN CAPITALISM, (not communism, not socialism and not “The Law of The Jungle” capitalism), with a “Democratic Parliamentary System of Government” and an element of strong “human rights and a free press”.
Αν κάθε Έλληνας καταφέρει μέσα στο 2012 να αγοράσει ελληνικά προϊόντα αξίας 1.000 ευρώ στη θέση ξένων προϊόντων που αγόρασε πέρυσι, τότε θα προστεθεί στην προβληματική ελληνική οικονομία το αστρονομικό ποσό των 12 δις ευρώ.!!!!! Ολόκληρο το περιβόητο ΕΣΠΑ που υποτίθεται ότι θα αναζωογονούσε τη χώρα, είναι 18 δις για τέσσερα χρόνια. Στροφή στο ελληνικό τρόφιμο, στο ελληνικό ποτό, στροφή στον Έλληνα παραγωγό. Και σιγά-σιγά, στροφή στο ελληνικό ρούχο και το ελληνικό παπούτσι. ΤΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ ΠΡΟΙΟΝΤΑ ΕΧΟΥΝ BARCODE ΠΟΥ ΑΡΧΙΖΕΙ ΑΠΟ 520 !!! ...ΠΡΙΝ ΑΓΟΡΑΣΕΙΣ ΟΤΙΔΗΠΟΤΕ ΨΑΞΤΟ... (Αντίγραψέ το και εσύ στον τοίχο σου, να δουν όλοι)
Όχι άλλη ΞΕΝΟΜΑΝΊΑ! ζήτω τα πάντα που είναι ελληνικά!
Η Εβραίο-χριστιανοί πιστεύουν πως όλοι γεννιόμαστε αμαρτωλοί... π.χ. ένα παιδί γεννιέται αμαρτωλό;; μα πόσο χυδαία είναι αυτή η δήθεν φιλοσοφία !
Εμείς η 'Ελληνες λέγομαι πως:
Η αμαρτία είναι μια ανύπαρκτη ασθένεια.
Εφευρέθηκε για να σου πουλάει ανύπαρκτες θεραπείες.
ΕΛΕΥΘΈΡΩΣΕ ΤΟ ΜΥΑΛΌ ΣΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΣΚΈΨΟΥ!
ΈΤΣΙ ΓΊΝΕΣΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΑΣ!
The Jewish-Christians believe that everyone is born sinful (A SINNER)...e.g. a new born baby is a sinner ?? ....what a horrible and dreadfull thing this so-called religious philosophy is !
We Hellenes say that:
Sin is a none xistent disease.
It has been invented to sell you non-existent treatments.
RELEASE your mind and THINK!
THIS IS HOW YOU BECOME A HELLENE! (A GREEK)
To your right click on 2010 for the article:
THE FUTURE 0F HELLENISM IN AMERICA, AUSTRALIA and E.U.
Is there a future for Hellenism? Will Hellenism Survive? Do we want to survive as a Hellenic people?
ΟΡΘΟΔΟΞΟΣ ΓΑΜΟΣ = ΕΒΡΑΙΚΟΣ ΓΑΜΟΣ
GREEK ORTHODOX WEDDING CEREMONY IS ALL JEWISH
ΟΙ ΕΥΧΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΔΙΑΒΑΖΕΙ Ο ΠΑΠΠΑΣ ΣΤΟΝ ""ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ"" ΓΑΜΟ.
Ευλόγησον αυτούς, Κύριε ο Θεός Ημών, ως ευλογήσας τον Αβραάμ και την Σάρραν. Ευλόγησον αυτούς, Κύριε ο Θεός Ημών, ως ευλογήσας τον Ισαάκ και την Ρεβέκκαν. Ευλόγησον αυτούς, Κύριε ο Θεός Ημών, ως ευλογήσας τον Ιακώβ και πάντας τους πατριάρχας. Ευλόγησον αυτούς, Κύριε ο Θεός Ημών, ως ευλογήσας τον Ιωσήφ και την Ασυνέθ. Ευλόγησον αυτούς, Κύριε ο Θεός Ημών, ως ευλογήσας τον Ιωακείμ και την Άνναν. Ευλόγησον αυτούς, Κύριε ο Θεός Ημών, ως ευλογήσας τον Ζαχαρίαν και Ελισάβετ. Διαφύλαξον αυτούς, Κύριε ο Θεός ημών, ως διεφύλαξας τον Νώε εν τη κιβωτώ. Διαφύλαξον αυτούς, Κύριε ο Θεός ημών, ως διεφύλαξας τον Ιωνάν εν τη κοιλία του κήτους…Μνημόνευσον αυτών, Κύριε ο Θεός ημών, ως εμνημόνευσας του Ενώχ, του Σήμ, του Ηλία…». Αυτή είναι η «ευχή», που παίρνουν οι ρωμιοί από τον ορθόδοξο ιερέα...........και μετά ΄ ήρθε το σκοτάδι !!
THE WISHES and BLESSINGS THAT THE PRIEST READS IN A
“ GREEK ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE "
Bless them, Lord our God, to bless Abraham and
Sarah. Bless them, Lord our God, blessed as Isaac and
to Rebecca. Bless them, Lord our God, as Jacob blessed
and all the patriarchs. Bless them, Lord our God, as
blessed Joseph and Asyneth. Bless them, Lord our God,
as blessed Joachim and Annan. Bless them, Lord God
Ourselves as blessed Zacharias and Elizabeth. Preserving them, Lord
God, as you saved Noah in his ark. Preserving them, Lord
God, as you saved Iona in the belly of the whale mentioned the ...
them, O Lord our God, as emnimonefsas of Enoch, of Shem, Elijah ... ".
This is the "blessing" the Greeks got/get from the Orthodox
Priest ........... and then came/comes darkness!
Οι χριστιανοί λένε, Βαπτίζετε ο δούλος
του Θεού........
Εμείς λέμε,
πάντας ἐλεύθερους ἀφῆκε θεός, οὐδένα δοῦλον ἡ φύσις πεποίηκε. (Ἀλκιδάμας)
Απόδοση
Οι Θεοί όλους τους έχει ελεύθερους, η φύση δεν έκανε κανένα δούλο.
Christians say, the servant (slave) is baptized in the name of .......
Εμείς λέμε,
πάντας ἐλεύθερους ἀφῆκε θεός, οὐδένα δοῦλον ἡ φύσις πεποίηκε. (Ἀλκιδάμας)
Απόδοση
Οι Θεοί όλους τους έχει ελεύθερους, η φύση δεν έκανε κανένα δούλο.
Christians say, the servant (slave) is baptized in the name of .......
We say,
Proverbs and Sayings of our ancient ancestors-
The gods always allowed everyone to be free, nature did not make anyone a slave. (Alkidamas)
Proverbs and Sayings of our ancient ancestors-
The gods always allowed everyone to be free, nature did not make anyone a slave. (Alkidamas)
Πάσχα - Easter
Είναι η εποχή του έτους, όταν οι άνθρωποι γιορτάζουν και πάλι τη ζωή ενός Εβραίου ανθρώπου με το όνομα Ιησούς που υποτίθεται περπάτησε στο νερό, διέπραξε πολλά θαύματα, σταυρώθηκε και πέθανε στο σταυρό και τρεις μέρες αργότερα αναστήθηκε από τους νεκρούς.
Είμαι Έλληνας, δεν μπορώ, και δεν πιστεύω ότι αυτό είναι δυνατό, είναι μεταφυσικό και παράλογο απορριμμάτων που πηγαίνει ενάντια στους νόμους της φύσης!
It’s that time of the year when people once again celebrate the life of a Jewish man named Jesus that supposedly walked on water, committed many miracles, was crucified and died on the cross and three days later rose from the dead.
I am a Hellene, I cannot, and I do not believe this impossible, metaphysical and illogical rubbish that goes against the laws of nature!
Είμαι Έλλην
Το Πάσχα δεν σημαίνει τίποτα για μένα
Δεν είναι μέρος της αυθεντικής Ελληνικής κληρονομιάς μου!!!
I am a Hellene
Easter means nothing to me
It is not part of my authentic Hellenic heritage!!!
Aristotellis Alexandridis
Η ΑΡΧΉ ΤΟΥ ΣΚΟΤΑΔΙΣΜΟΎ
Απόστολος Παύλος Εβραίος Σαούλ: "Οι δούλοι να υπακούετε
στους κατά σάρκα κυρίους σας με φόβον και τρόμον, με ευθύτητα και ειλικρίνειαν
της καρδίας σας, σαν να υπακούετε στον Χριστόν. Όχι δε με υποκριτικήν
εξωτερικήν υποταγήν, που γίνεται έτσι για τα μάτια και εφ' όσον σας βλέπουν οι
κύριοί σας, όπως κάμνουν αυτοί που επιδιώκουν να αρέσουν στους ανθρώπους, αλλά
να υπακούετε σαν δούλοι του Χριστού, πράττοντες το θέλημα του Θεού με όλην σας
την ψυχήν• με την καλήν και ευμενή διάθεσιν, σαν να υπηρετείτε τον Κύριον και
όχι ανθρώπους."
Προς Εφεσίους 6.5-6.7
